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November 06, 2007

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ben

Ron Paul is just another fundamentalist right-wing crank. There's a reason he's in the Republican party. The tortured illogic that makes "liberty" mean state-ordered religious observance is something I want no part of.

Neil

I don't understand why so many people think Ron Paul will force religious views on the American people... he's a libertarian, not a member of the religious right, even though he's running as a Republican.

miche

"The tortured illogic that makes "liberty" mean state-ordered religious observance is something I want no part of."

It's my understanding that state law doesn't trump constitutionally protected rights.

Doug Bayless

Thank you for posting that speech. Ron Paul is indeed a breath of fresh air in stale corporate politics.

Dallas Hansen

"Sure he's not going to win the nomination...."

Are you claiming to predict the future? Do you have a crystal ball? Wow Massie, will you come with me to the racetrack?

Kristen M

Restrictionist trade positions? You are seriously misinformed. Ron Paul is the MOST ardently pro Free Trade advocate in the race. He has voted against managed trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA because he feels they're too limiting of honest to goodness real Free Trade.

ben

"It's my understanding that state law doesn't trump constitutionally protected rights."

And it's my understanding that Ron Paul has nothing but contempt for constitutionally protected rights and fantasizes about a Dominionist theocracy, like all of the rest of the anti-freedom ayatollahs in the Republican party. But I just go by what he actually says, instead of the stupid febrile fanboy wanking on the internet. This is a case in point: someone on a blog said something about Ron Paul, watch the rapid response team of basement-dwelling mouthbreathers mobilize!

Ron Paul's "war on Christmas" wingnutter is straight out of the Michelle Malkin / Ann Coulter / Bill O'Reilly playbook, for just one example. His dalliance with the 9/11 conspiracy nutballs is another. He's just another fundamentalist loon and we've had enough of them. The Republican party is the party of clericalism, it is the party of hatred of individual freedoms, it is the party of corporate welfare, deficit and reckless spending, and everyone who wants its nomination wants it because those are the policies they espouse. Ron Paul is no different and anyone who believes otherwise is gullible to the point of self delusion.

Junius Brutus

Libertarianism is a bumpersticker philosophy for people with short intellectual attention spans.

99.99999% of the time its a rationalization for people who are completely self-interested and need a handy cover story so they can dress up their selfishness in the guise of principle.

Jay

Wow "ben", even a cursory glance at Ron Paul's voting record exposes your empty vitriol as, well... the ravings of a stark-raving-mad dogmatist. Who's the loon now?

glasnost

Ron Paul means well, has courage and some good principles, such as avoiding military force and state control. But some of his policies would be disasterous. Shouting "freedom" does not build a functional society. Abolishing the Federal Reserve would functionally impoverish millions of Americans, because doing so would abolish regulations on the ratio of reserves kept to loans made. Bank collapses would once again become common.
And then there's the abolition of the FDA and the Department of Education.

Some government institutions serve America well: we need them, and libertarians would kill them.

David

How can facts get so out of alignment. Speed reading? Ben has apparently never read any thing Ron Paul has stated and it is obvious he has never looked at Ron Paul's voting record. There has NEVER been a candidate who was more for preserving the Constitution then Ron Paul. His voting record shows, NO, proves he is for preserving the constitution. His constituents even KNOW how he will vote due to his consistent voting record, which is based on the freedoms and laws outlined in the Constitution and in the bill of rights. He always votes Based on preserving the constitution. Brutus, Libertarian is a nomiclature for people who believe in citizens rights and Citizens freedoms; not government or big brother or mama and daddy like controls. People who want to preserve The USA to a point the founding fathers would take pride in and would want to be apart of. Not like it is today. Liberty means free to choose religion or the right to have no religion at all. Some one please tell me about Rons "war On Christmas" I have not read about that either.:/ How can facts get so out of alignment. With todays internet it is easier than ever to find facts if you do a little research and use quality trusted sources. I know this was a lot for Ben, Neil and Junius to read, and there fore they probably just skimmed threw it, but I would suggest you folks slow your reading down. You seem to be missing or adding things as you read. If it ain't written, it does not mean it is between the lines. Put your imagination on hold while you are trying to absorb information. Also consider why you would want to vote for the corporation, oh I mean candidate that is able to raise the most money. Is that what defines a good president. Bush, raised the most money in the last election, and Clinton Raised the most money when he was elected. Did that make them the best Candidates. Was one of them the Best President Ever? Lets make this an election like no other. Read the facts (not necessarily what a reporter writes) put your emotions aside (If they tell you "this is for the children", look for the hidden agenda)and vote, based on real virtues and truths. I don't care what party Ron Paul Affiliates with, I just hope he becomes President. We are supposed to take care of the Government, "We the people" The Government is not supposed to take care of us. Please, can we get off this Socialist track we are so rapidly sliding down.

Ben O

The Federal Reserve's inflationary policies are already having deleterious effects on the most vulnerable Americans. Ron Paul wants sound money, which would benefit the people lowest on the income ladder the most and the richest the least. The quality of education has fallen since the DOE was created. You think we can't live without "No child left behind"? Schools should be accountable to parents and teachers, not Washington D.C. politicians. By the way more people are killed every year by FDA approved drugs than the ones banned under the War on Drugs.

M. Simon

Supporting the troops would have to mean supporting victory.

What you want to do? Say we support you, but your mission to help the emergence of self government in Iraq is wrong?

Ben O

"What you want to do? Say we support you, but your mission to help the emergence of self government in Iraq is wrong?"

Considering Ron Paul gets more donations from members of the military than any other candidate... I think you may be on to something.

Steve

"Libertarianism is a bumpersticker philosophy for people with short intellectual attention spans."

Actually, no, libertarianism is a philosophy consistent with the founding fathers' principles of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and individual property rights, which has taken this country from being a poor British colony to the greatest country in the world. Why we would want to move back towards more government control is beyond me. I heard another candidate ask once, would you rather live in North Korea or South Korea? East Germany or West Germany? The USSR or the USA? Liberty and freedom work. Sorry, I can't fit all that on a bumper sticker.

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